Abortion is Ethical, Period
Those who defend abortion do not usually engage in the moral and ethical arguments surrounding abortion. They know the arguments, but probably do not want to go into complicated points when there is a good simple one to make, women's rights. I agree with their strategy but sometimes it's good to point out abortion is a practice with moral and ethical arguments that destroy their holier-than-thou opponents.
There are about 250 laws across all states complicating abortions. Justice Roberts said in a decision he is open to more of these. The strategy is to raise the cost in both money and inconvenience so fewer women can manage to obtain abortions.
The moral case is made against abortion that includes such statements as "babies (fetuses) are innocent," "heartbeat is the beginning of human life," "the fetus has no voice in the decision" and others. The same exact arguments can be made for other medical procedures. Anti abortion operatives do not bring up these others.
I'm certain many anti abortion operatives support organ donations. Perhaps some have received organs. I've read these organs are often removed from brain dead patients whose hearts are still beating. After the organ are removed, especially the heart, the donor dies. Thus, the procedure has killed the patient.
Then, there is the anencephalic infant where death will occur shortly after birth. Having an abortion does not take this life, it was already gone, and may be safer for the mother. Ethics are in favor of abortion.
There is so often use of the term "innocent" fetus. Why is it a fetus is innocent and has not sinned? It is because is has no ability to do so. If it had the ability to sin it would be a human being. Using Christianity itself rules out fetuses as human beings.
While I am not in the business of deciding what is a "human being" there are some ethical arguments out there. When there is conscientiousness and self awareness there is a human being. When these are not present the ethical argument against abortion is weak.
The moral and ethical arguments favor abortion.
The only reason people like you say and do such things is that you love sin and love evil. You are in open hostility to God so you defy anything you know is from God.
ReplyDeleteGod hates abortion.
You love abortion.
God hates homosexual marriage.
You love homosexual marriage.
God hates racial discrimination.
You love racial discrimination.
God hates stealing.
You love stealing.
God hates promiscuity.
You love promiscuity.
The list is incomplete. You get the idea. Yes, you do believe in God. It pains you.
Matt--"you love sin..." There are some things I've always heard are sins and I do enjoy them. On your other statements we need some documentation. "God hates abortion." You have said that many times here but never provided us with a clear statement in the Bible "God hates abortion." The, "God hate homosexual marriage." Same thing. I don't think you will find in the Bible a word about homosexual marriage. Please correct me. "God hate promiscuity." God's heroes in the Bible had many wives. Seems like promiscuity to me. "God hates racial discrimination." Lots of the heroes in the Bible had slaves. They were not family members made into slaves by other family members. They were from other groups the holy people in the Bible raided and took slaves.
ReplyDeleteBack to my blog, do you believe it ok to take a beating heart from a brain dead person to be used by another person? Don't answer if it's uncomfortable for you.
You remind me William Jennings Bryan (WJB), arguing the fundamentalist view of the Bible. Like WJB, you rely on your interpretation of the Bible. Unlike WJB, you claim to be an atheist and a free thinker. You both believe in God. He tries to please God. You do not.
ReplyDeleteYou both twist the Bible to try to make your case. You both end up losing. Neither of you accept defeat.
The big mistake you both make is a very inflated ego. God put His Church on earth to interpret Scripture. You expect me to debate interpretation. I tell you to simply argue with His Church. Through both faith and logic, I made the statements in my original post. Go argue with the Church.
Matt--I'm surprised you did not go to your standby method of justifying unfounded things you post. Usually when I ask for sources you copy and paste several you have not read and turn out to not support your odd views. "Go argue with the Church." And, what "church" might that be? There are about 9.5 billion people in the world. Of that there are about 1.3 billion Catholics. So, we're down to 15% of the world's population is Catholic. Polls and the religion of those who have abortions give me the estimate about half of all Catholics believe in some or all abortion rights. There are some Protestants who don't support abortion rights but even with that abortion rights swamps anti abortion. There is always the great question I've discussed here often, what is "the church." Is it what church leaders claim its "beliefs" are or is it what the people in the pews believe? It's a take-your-pick deal. To summarize, you are unable to make an ethical or moral case against abortion. Neither can anyone else. Anti abortion remains a religious view held by a small minority of people in the world.
ReplyDeleteI have no intention of continuing to argue with you. You have lost the arguments but you continue like a spoiled child.
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