Where do Anti-Trump Republicans Go Now
No one seems to know the numbers yet, but many Republican Party elected officials are leaving the Party. Several thousand regular voters have been recorded as leaving also. They have not registered as Democrats but instead as independents.
While we don't know the future, we do know the past. This past election, Trump lost by a significant number and Republicans moved backwards in the Senate. If Republicans run with the same personality, Trump, and the same ideas is there reason to believe they would be more successful next time when they were not this time?
Forbes Magazine, Republican at its core, published a review of a study by a well know election analysis firm. The election analysis firm gave a positive grade for the honesty and integrity of the election Trump lost. A clean bill of honesty was giving the voting machine company, Dominion. The study looked into all the allegations of dumping ballots, late night changes in numbers and every other tail of cheating and fraud.
Keeping the fraud myth alive is important to schemers and operatives in the Republican Party. People send money when they think the election was stolen. In addition, it gives Republican legislators an excuse to doctor voting rules to make it more difficult to vote. The theory is obstacles mean Democrats are less likely to vote than Republicans making it easier for Republicans to win. This might not work like it once did. The last election showed that when lower income people are determined to change things they turn out in big numbers. More voting requirements are as likely to hurt Republicans as Democrats.
The first link above discussed the difficulty of forming a third party. I don't think it is necessary for exiting Republicans to form a third party. After watching politics all these decades I have come to the conclusion candidates who call themselves independents can influence both parties and move things in the direction they desire.
Trump was great political theater for four years. The entertainment is not over.
I believe the "anti trump" people should remain and fight it out, and/or let time prove to the trumpeters just how crooked and divisive he truly is. We are at the start of many revelations, and it will take time to admit to betting on a crippled horse. Pride and arrogance is tough to come to terms with, especially for a politician. It may take a election cycle or two. The old saying; "If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. A third party has proven to be a non-starter.
ReplyDeleteWe need a functional two party system for the sake of moderation, and to keep the extremes on both ends at bay.
Once all of Trump’s chickens come home to roost he’ll have quite a rap sheet. Still, when did a rap sheet make any difference in politics. The political party imbalance in a majority of state legislatures is clearly in favor of Republicans, whoever they are. I suspect the voters in those states will continue to send disrupters instead of policy makers to the big show. The QAnon model where the game plays people seems a winning strategy. Willfully engaging in believing a myth trumps evidence and reason. Maybe there’s more dopamine hits. That game kinda sounds familiar. In the midst of our political fog of war, absent a war so far, half the population has a taste for a more authoritarian form of government instead of the holy trinity of representative democracy and its fondness for compromise. Time will tell.
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Deletetsm, Feb 23, 2021 at 5:42 PM. “you wouldn't know "evidence and reason" if it bit you in the arse.”
DeleteOh hisssss! Still spitting venom are we. I know you know I still have your goat. I’ll stop feeding her. Perhaps she’ll find her way home.
"Where do Anti-Trump Republicans Go Now"
ReplyDeleteI guess they will just keep watching the news before and after Wheel of Fortune for all the accurate info. The wheel is the entertainment.
I'm really not afraid of Trump winning again in 2024. It's pretty obvious at this point that he cost the GOP the Senate in 2020.
ReplyDeleteI am afraid of Trump losing in 2024. We all saw what his supporters are capable of.
That is essentially my only real fear. If Trump makes it on the 2024 ticket, whether we want it or not, we will get violence.
nice political cliches there. Trump lost the GA senate races! he probably helped the GOP to lose but there are, as in most elections, many other factors to be considered. black turnout? campaign spending? promises that if the Dems won everyone would get $2000? when, if ever, will we get beyond the notion that some simple, broad brush explanation explains everything? remember the old adage that simple assertions usually end up explaining nothing ( I paraphrase).
Delete"We all saw what his supporters are capable of."
DeleteIndeed. Trump "supporter" John Sullivan showed off his capabilities:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/update-blm-antifa-organizer-john-sullivan-arrested-storming-us-capitol-bashing-windows-writing-book-paid-video-trump-supporters-rot-jail/
...."many other factors to be considered."
DeleteDon't forget Ruby. Suitcases full of ballots pulled out from under skirted tables and ran through counters five times without two party observation right in the midst of a declared massive water main break crisis. All on video. Some poor soul thought it was important enough to run the video in slow motion and count each ballot processed and then compared that number against the recorded surge. Must have been a long day.
Then, mysteriously, the vote count massively tallies up at that moment in time almost exclusively for Joe Biden and the Dem Georgia senate candidates. To atheists, that proves miracles do exist. It was a statistical miracle because you cannot explain it with science and rationale. Maybe a lot of democrats hiding in the bushes at 3:00 AM. That is the science.
Now, we need not worry for 2024. HR1 will memorialize the disaster that happened in November 2020 into perpetuity. This is the confusion we will permanently have.
Henry--"All on video."
DeleteThat's your problem, it was all on video. The videos were reviewed by both members of the press and officials, including Republican officials. Everything was honest and legal. Dishonesty entered the picture when Trump fans started spreading a story that was untrue.
I understand the two party observers left before this video was taken. They left for whatever reason but there is not a requirement all vote counting stops when the observers take a rest room break.
I hope you can come back here and provide us with evidence there was fraud in Biden's victory.
The "they left for whatever reason" was because the Republican observers were told to evacuate and were following civil authority. Looking 20/20 backwards, now we are told they should have insisted on remaining, which would have resulted in trespassing and disorderly conduct charges. I would advise not to listen to 20/20 backwards looking democrat recommendations. They don't know what they are talking about, and action on their advice will land one in jail.
DeleteHenry--"...were to told to evacuate."
DeleteDo we have a record of who said what and to whom? The video shows the boxes were sealed with tape and the tape was cut by the person authorized to cut it and put the ballots in the machine.
"I would advise you not to listen to 20/20 backward looking.." Trump and company propaganda.
I continue to put your evidence of fraud here. It's quite entertaining.
tsm: Donald Trump bashing John McCain's legacy before McCain was in the ground was pretty much the end of Trump's political future in Arizona. There was a massive effort to get people registered to vote. In the four years that Trump was in office, I was approached a dozen times in public by activists trying to make sure I was registered to vote. Prior to Trump being in office, I was never approached in this manner.
DeleteThe same thing happened in Georgia.
All of this you speak of is called "the backlash effect" against Donald Trump. So yes, I think it's a pretty definitive consensus that if you take Trump out of the picture, we still have GOP senators in Arizona and Georgia.
"Donald Trump bashing John McCain's legacy before McCain was in the ground was pretty much the end of Trump's political future in Arizona."
DeleteTrump should have treated McCain in the manner he did. There was bad blood right from the beginning. McCain handed this fake $46 million (cost to taxpayers) disproven Salem-Witch-Trial-like dirty dossier to the most corrupt agents within the FBI. His feigned innocence as the helpful whistleblower not able to verify the veracity of the material is laughable at the very least. Why couldn't the foreign agent just simply share with the FBI? They needed a prominent name in the chain of custody to give the dirty dossier a hint of legitimacy.
https://nypost.com/2017/01/11/john-mccain-i-gave-russia-blackmail-dossier-on-trump-to-fbi/
Henry,
ReplyDeleteAs you know, in part, Amendment 6 of the Bill of Rights states, “... the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, ...”
The current political climate is not unusual in the sense that the Right and Left each claim the other is, shall we say, factually impaired and mentally disordered. Given the current rabid 50/50 split in the body politic is it even possible to seat an impartial jury that can come to an unanimous decision based on evidence in any politically charged trial?
By example, I’m sure can supply your own:
In a Sioux City, Iowa rally Trump said, “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?” I know he is hopelessly prone to hyperbole and was just joking, right? But if he did indeed stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone in a live televised broadcast in broad daylight I doubt any trial would end in a conviction. In the current political climate, I suspect they would all end in a hung jury.
I don’t think Mr. Trump has to worry about any charges of illegal activity resulting in a guilty verdict should they come to a jury trial. The new “Teflon Don” has successfully rendered our system of justice, at least in his case, impotent. Your thoughts Henry.
My thoughts are Trump "supporter" John Sullivan who broke glass on the Capitol building prior/during forced entry should rot in jail. See, I can criticize my own if they commit wrong.
DeleteThe other Capitol building invaders who merely strolled through once police presence disappeared or the Capitol Police actually in some cases invited in, the DA/Judge/Jury will have to evaluate their mens rea.
In addition to this, if you want my comment specifically on Trump, he should seriously be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. He told his crowd of supporters a mile away from the Capitol (after Sullivan and company had at that time already breached Capitol Building) that his supporters should walk over to the Capitol and peacefully tell Congress their thoughts. That is peace. So peaceful, that Twitter took it down (can't have a peaceful message from Trump get out).