Here's Why Anti Abortion Will Fail: Shaming the Late John Lewis
These SBC officials were roundly criticized for praising the life on John Lewis. John Lewis supported abortion rights. Why would anyone, especially one who almost gave his life for the rights of black people, be condemned for believing in a woman's right to control her own body? That is how nuts anti abortion politics always has been and why it will never connect with the majority of citizens who believe in equal opportunity for all.
Long ago when I was a Mayor and backed the right for our one clinic that performed abortions to exist I received a long hand written letter from a prominent woman in Fargo. She informed me that a very skillful group of protestors would arrive soon in Fargo and they would close down the clinic. She wrote they were modeled after the civil rights protests of Martin Luther King and John Lewis.
She then went on to say she had always wanted to be part of an important act of civil disobedience. She was now too old to put herself at physical risk but she would participate in spirit with the group that would soon arrive and close the clinic.
It was and remains very odd thinking to compare the virtue of one group which is trying to give people rights they are entitled to with another group trying to take rights away from people. In the latter case they were trying to take rights away from women. I remember writing the lady back and explaining the protestors soon to arrive would not be successful because their cause was not a noble one. The protests were not successful, the clinic is still there.
John Lewis was for giving people rights, not taking them away. Anti abortion crazies have not been successful. Thank goodness they never will succeed.
Gone to jail 40 times? Sounds like he was part of the Lambs of Christ, another group of people you must admire if jail time is your yardstick.
ReplyDeleteBTW, it is possible for a person to hold a Christian viewpoint in one area and be tied to satan with another viewpoint. John Lewis was such a man and you explained exactly why in your thought for the day.
Success is not the reason we Christians do what we do. Obedience and love are the reasons we Christians do what we do. Before, during and after Saint Mother Teresa worked in Calcutta for the benefit of the poorest of the poor, there were very poor people living in squalor.
The abortion rate is greater than 50% below its peak around 1978. Another 42 years and it may be zero.
Matt-- "The abortion rate is greater than 50% below its peak around 1978. Another 42 years and it may be zero."
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't matter if it is lesser or greater than it was in 1978 or 2020. What matters is that the lying about abortion stop. Anti abortion crazies must admit the truth: (1.) Having an abortion is safer than giving birth. (2.) Abortion does no psychological damage to women.
https://www.inforum.com/news/6585579-Fargo-woman-dies-during-childbirth-baby-girl-survives
DeleteIt sure seems her poverty level had nothing to do with her death. As the article states, just an underlying health condition. She was giving birth at the hospital with every available medical treatment available.
That's one of your 700.
Oh, the abortion rate is really the most important point. As for the lying, look in the mirror.
The human species ENDS if women stop giving birth. Admit it.
Being aborted ends the life of that person. Admit it.
Women who abort often have mental health issues for years to come. Some never recover from the psychological damage from an abortion. Perhaps it is time to start connecting suicides to abortion. Admit it.
I'm perfectly sane, i.e. not crazy. Admit it.
Many on the pro-abortion side are driven by emotion, not facts or science or by Jesus Christ.
Matt-- "Women who abort often have mental health issues for years to come. Some never recover from the psychological damage from abortion."
DeleteC. Everett Koop was tasked by Reagan to establish that what you just wrote was true. He and his staff looked tirelessly for evidence. They found none. I'm going to be blogging about a new study just published, the largest and most professional study ever done on whether or not there is physical or mental damage caused by abortion. The results make you statement above a lie.
Jon, no mention of your admiration for the Lambs of Christ? Those 40 arrests they endured, individually, not as a group, ranks up there with John Lewis and his 40 arrests.
ReplyDeleteNo mention of your condemnation of the Antifa arrests from rioting, looting, vandalism, arson and assault on police officers?
The pro-life movement, led by the Holy Spirit, has managed to decrease the abortion by over 50% with a 100,000,000 increase from about 240,000,000 to 340,000,000 during that time frame. Therefore, the abortion rate is much less than 50% of its peak. That's the surgical abortion rate, when your aborted baby is the result of a visit to an abortionist. I have no idea what the chemical or abortifacient rate is in comparison. As Trump would say, 'are we tired of winning?'
Matt--"Jon, no mention of your admiration for the Lambs of Christ."
DeleteI covered them. My explanation covered the protests at my house. They were unsuccessful and I explained why. I'll have to explain it again.
Political/protest groups who have as their goal taking rights away from people are an entirely different category than those who want to give rights to people. That is why the lambs of Christ and those at my house were unsuccessful. That is why the world admires John Lewis.
did it ever occur to you that the "rights" game is often a zero sum game: some lose their "rights", others gain. in any event, this country is at the moment, at war over what is "a legitimate " right and what is not. you think that free wheeling abortion is sacred right; others obviously have a different take on the matter. but why bother to point that out: it should be obvious to any halfwit.
DeleteUnknown-- "..zero sum game: some lose their "rights", others gain."
DeleteAll of what we are discussing here falls the Constitution and supporting documents which are about equal rights and equal opportunity. You are correct that if we have equal rights people who prefer unequal rights are left worse off. Slave holders wanted unequal rights, they got stiffed. Women want equal rights, there are men who want them to have fewer rights, i.e., unequal rights. I'll put you in the column with the unequal rights supporters.
you claim to have an objective standard by which you judge equal and unequal rights. where does that standard come from? the constitution? well, if you have thought about it for a minute, you would know that that is a weak reed to rely on. constitutions over time, are changed, subverted, ignored. slavery, as you must recall, was once enshrined in our constitution. and what do you make of the claim, held by many, that only might makes right? but I waste my time, you obviously don't give a damn about such concerns. and/or you simply don't get it.
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Deletedidn't like my equality question challenge? that figures.
DeleteUnknown--I wish it were possible for you to understand statistics and your intellect not be confined to stories in the news.
Deleteyou yourself once pointed out that much social science research is problematic. now you fall all over yourself to endorse any "study" as God's gift to atheists. BTW you obviously like sweeping generalities: as in all instances are A's. then comes along an authentic instance of B, contradicting claim A. the universal is denied. that's logic 101 old fellow.
DeleteUnknown-- re: "problematic" As C. Everett Koop discovered, there is no evidence abortions cause problems in women who have them, physical or psychological. Every study sited by anti abortion crazies was flawed.
DeleteThe study I will be talking about has a better sample than any other study done ever about abortion. It came to specific conclusions. If anti abortion operatives want to compete with this study they are welcome to do so. They will be required, however, to have a sample on the same level of objectivity as the one I will be talking about.
I am quite sure higher level operatives in the anti abortion community will not do such a study because it would end their careers permanently. They prefer to do what you do, find news stories of the very few who have problems following an abortion and pretend these are the majority, not the minority. They also do not want to compare deaths in child birth to deaths from abortions because this would demonstrate what has been commonly known for many decades, birth is more dangerous.
Deleteevery study cited by abortion crazies is flawed. thanks for the compliment. but, that aside, you do like sweeping generalities. seems that that is par for the course when one is a fanatic. am looking forward to the BIG STUDY THAT IS GOING TO END ALL DEBATE. wow, can't wait.
apart from social science studies plain old common sense would tell you that some, maybe many women, regret their decision to abort. it's also common sense to realize that some women are pressured into having abortions by boyfriends, parents or even medical personnel. still waiting for be all and end all study.
DeleteRemember being picketed by old men and women praying rosaries at your home in Fargo? You haven't written kindly about those occurrences.
ReplyDeleteFast forward to this Summer and your people picketing, demonstrating and getting a bit unruly. Why not call Chicago's mayor and tell her how you handled it. At the same time, you can denounce the Chicago picketers here.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chicago-anti-police-protesters-target-mayors-home-after-her-call-with-trump
Matt; July 23, 2020 at 8:11 PM “Obedience and love are the reasons we Christians do what we do.” “The abortion rate is greater than 50% below its peak around 1978. Another 42 years and it may be zero.”
ReplyDeleteMatt, don’t you just wish the whole 50% decrease could be attributed to Christian obedience and love? You would be better at sorting out pregnancy rates vs birth rates vs abortion rates than myself. I did find this sample from 2010:
“In the United States, the latest figures report some 6.2 million pregnancies for 2010. Of this number, 4 million had a live birth outcome. On the other hand, approximately 1.1 million induced abortions and 1 million miscarriages at all gestational periods were reported.”(1) It’s remarkable a third of pregnancies ended in abortion and induced vs miscarriage were so closely comparable.
I also found the birth rate (births/1000 people) in the USA declined in 58 of the last 70 years.(2) To be fair from 1978 - 1988 the birth rate did turn positive for that 10 year period but increases were always less than 1% per year.(2). It caught my eye that the birth control pill was approved for use as a contraceptive by the FDA in 1960.(3) Declines in birth rate from 1959 - 1973 ranged from -2.27% to -3.69%.(2)
I am pretty sure you have your own sources of statistics to support your anti-abortion campaign of obedience and love but there is a lot of moving parts in the abortion issue.
A note on maternal mortality from 2008 - 2017; leading cause hemorrhage, percentage of pregnancy-related deaths during pregnancy - 38%, percentage of preventable pregnancy-related deaths - 63%. Black mothers were significantly more likely to die during pregnancy.(1)
(1) https://www.statista.com/topics/1850/pregnancy/#dossierSummary__chapter4
(2) https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/birth-rate
(3) https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-birth-control-pills-4076662
That's the problem with single issue politics. It will always come back to haunt you. No matter which party you subscribe to.
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