Proof the Bible Was Written by Men and Not God
This has to do with the god worshiped in Christianity who happens to be named God. There are, of course, thousands of gods.
Even though professors have done research on a gazillion topics, I don't remember one which compared comments of gods on God's favorite topic, parting with your money. Did other gods, like those of the Greeks, have a need for money? Why does God have any need for money?
According to an internet site, the word tithe is used 38 times times in the Bible. If the Bible is "God's word" then God had some need for the money brought in by tithing. What is or was that need?
I can't stop myself from getting a little snarky here. God does not need a smart phone or internet because he already knows everything. So, does God need money to buy Starbucks?
From what I understand, God does not need money for anything. Jesus is dead so he does not need money. If neither needs you money neither would have put the need for money in the Bible.
This leaves only one reason for the word "tithe" to be discussed 38 times in the Bible: Someone else, other than God or Jesus, wants your money. The parties trying to get your money were those who wrote the Bible. If God had actually written the Bible there would be nothing about giving money.
I could go on about this. Jesus did not need money because, according to the Bible,
he could create loaves and fishes whenever he was hungry. He did have some trouble making a fig tree provide his figs--but that's another story.
I think rational thinking leads us to conclude the Bible was written by men who wanted your money.
Re. "tithe" 38- (40 actually if you include "tithe--tithes--tithing). Literally all references are related to the Old Covenant. Even of the 8 times mentioned in the New Testament, (Once in Mt, two times in Luke, and five times in- - - - guess where?- - - Hebrews.) that hark back to the Old Covenant, and are not part of the New Covenant. However popular in the tent revival circuit, and TV.
ReplyDeleteHelper--"hark back to the Old Covenant, and are not part of the New..."
DeleteWhat does that have to do with anything? It's still the Bible.
There there. I know it's hard for you.
DeleteOld covenant (30), your foreskin and your purse; New Covenant (8), your confession and some spare pocket change?
DeleteArdy --Old covenant, give us your money or we'll drowned you. New covenant, old covenant did not bring in enough money. New covenant, tithe or you burn in hell.
DeleteAnd, I'm thankful. Jesus smote the fig tree that did not have figs out of season. Fig trees took note of that. Now I can buy figs 12 months of the year.
Ardy @ 4;30 re "Your confession and some spare pocket change?" Please cite book and verse.
DeleteJon; @ 5;29; re. "New Covenant, tithe or you will burn in hell." Please cite book and verse.
Have you fellars ben hanging out with the Pope?
Helper--Mark 11:12 is good New Covenant material. The fig tree was out of season. Jesus smote it. Now I can buy Figgy Newtons all year long. The New Covenant gives the inspirational message, "When to going gets tough, the tough get going."
Deletelittle helper @ 5:47 AM: “Please cite book and verse.” I was just harking back to my youthful experience with the ABC’s of the UMC, “Ask, Confess, and Believe” and the nickel my father would give me from his pocket for the “plate”. That nickel today wouldn’t make the grade for the likes of the Creflo [Cash Flow] Dollar Ministry.
DeleteJon; You have no idea of what" the New Covenant inspirational message is," hence" when the going gets tough the tough get going" trash. And you don't give a fig.
Delete"For this is my blood of the new covenant which is shed for you for the remission of sin.
DeleteNot a fig in it.
Your fig story out of context is a fail. It is a parable about unfaithfulness and falling away from the faith. (No fruit).
In fact, you could have talked about the size of the Tabernacle and made just as much sense to the topic at hand. A fine example of "Atheists know more about the Bible than Christians".
DeleteArdy; @ 7;18; UMC;--Creflo dollar you say? It figures.
DeleteHelper--You are always writing about the old covenant and the new covenant. Really, that should be considered blasphemy. In the Old Testament, God was all powerful, all knowing and perfect. Thus, he could not have made mistakes and had to revise things later. He had to know beforehand Eve would eat the apple and that sinner would have to be killed in the flood.
DeleteThat stuff called the new covenant is OK for atheists to talk about. But a good Christian should pretend it is not there because a.) "the faith never changes" and b.) God is all knowing and all powerful. There are many parts of the Bible Christians never mention and the new covenant should be added to the list.
Again you reveal how uninformed you are. A classic example of an atheist. You are not in a position to demand or suggest anything on this subject.
Delete@ 11;42 re. "Helper you are always writing about the old covenant and the new covenant" Not at all. Only when you stumble onto the subject and a response is required.
Deletehelper--"You are not in a position to demand or suggest anything on this subject."
DeleteSo, it is OK for those in the faith to suggest we atheists get religion or we will pay some price in the hereafter. Matt just did this a few days ago to me. That makes well over 30 times people have made these "suggestions" on what atheists should believe and how they should reason. I was just returning the favor. You are welcome.
Perhaps God thought it would be nice for people to gather in buildings, which are located on land, heated, cooled, carpeted, etc. Perhaps God wanted for those in richer parts of the world to help those in poorer parts of the world. Perhaps God wanted schools and seminaries to educate His children and His future priests. Perhaps God wanted His priests, bishops, etc. to drive, to fly, to meet and to decide important things. Perhaps God wanted His priests to visit the sick in hospitals and nursing homes, to buy bread and wine for sacrifice, to help bury the dead, to celebrate marriage ceremonies. Perhaps God wanted ...
ReplyDeleteJon, you need to actually try to be a free thinker. Your thinking runs only in one direction.
Matt--You provided a good list of jobs, comforts and conveniences male Catholic clergy want. So they wrote it into the Bible or made up what the Bible means later on.
DeleteAs to freethinking, the definition is not believing anything and everything as you suggest. It is making up one's own mind, irrespective of what religious authorities advise. You definitely are not a freethinker.
Matt 10.22.2019 8:53 PM: “Perhaps God wanted His priests to visit the sick in hospitals and nursing homes, to buy bread and wine for sacrifice, to help bury the dead, to celebrate marriage ceremonies.” Bread and circuses?
DeleteWritten over many centuries by many authors from many places, and of many genres.
ReplyDeleteLooks like your worship it more than I do. Hint--It's a book of books.
Jon, reductio ad absurdum. you do like to reduce everything to some lowest possible common denominator, don't you? But maybe, just maybe, there's a little more to life than greed, fraud and cupidity.
ReplyDelete"But maybe, just maybe, there's a little more to life than greed, fraud and cupidity."
DeleteThat would be a good suggestion to many clergy and denominational officers.