Universe Expansion Must Be in Bible Somewhere


A few days ago I blogged about the inevitable coming failure of the sun and that such an event made Biblical predictions about heaven and hell ridiculous. No invisible and divine being can stop the sun from making earth and all the people on it toast.

Some critics of my blog jumped all over me with the mention of fire in the Bible. Since fire was mentioned in the Bible it meant those who wrote the Bible understood that the sun would run out of energy they said.

I looked up "fire in the Bible" and learned fire was referred to about 40 times. Usually, it said, fire was present when God was angry. Fire was used as threat and punishment for sin.

It is quite logical the propagandists who wrote the Bible would use fire to persuade people to conform their thinking to what was wanted at the time. Humans fear fire. As a pastor friend of mine said, "Everything in the Bible was written with a specific audience of that time in mind and was written with a specific goal of persuasion." To think ancient authors had in mind the end of the sun is absurd.

A new area of current concern to those studying the vast future is the expanding universe. Suns, planets and so on are moving further into space. This presents uncertainty about what lies ahead for the planet earth.

I'm sure we will see that this, too, was predicted in the Bible. Without at least a tiny bit of skepticism people can believe almost anything.

Comments

  1. little helperJuly 31, 2019 at 5:48 PM

    re. "who wrote the bible understood that ( the sun would run out of energy they said.)" NO JON. they didn't" said" that. A false statement.
    Fire is fire. potato, patata.
    re. "expanding" I see no evidence of it in the Bible. Once the earth has been made a crispy critter, who cares.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. little helperJuly 31, 2019 at 7:28 PM

      To anticipate a rebuttal; There are a couple verses on the universe, that say "stretched", as up to the THEN current. However that is in the past tense, as in the big boom, not the future. Either way, after the sun's expansion and burning the earth, It isn't important.

      Delete
    2. tsmAugust 1, 2019 at 1:58 PM

      BTW helper my comments were mostly directed to Jon not to you.

      Delete
  2. tsmJuly 31, 2019 at 6:24 PM

    And you can believe just about every thing. It is, of course, absurd to think that the Bible accounts of fire had anything to do with the modern scientific understanding of the universe. what puzzles me, tho' is why you think it necessary to revisit the question. as I said earlier, all we have are two parallel stories. one scientific and the other poetic, intuitive. So get off the soapbox. and yes there is a lot of uncertainty as to what lies ahead for planet earth: solar flares, asteroids, global warming, overpopulation (the last two being among the politically correct and now popular doomsday scenarios). and an afterthought: maybe just maybe the scriptural fire talk harkened back to some spectacular volcanic eruption, an ancient asteroid impact, a solar flare or some other natural event which left its mark on the human psyche.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Ardy BAugust 1, 2019 at 6:34 AM

      "... afterthought: maybe just maybe the scriptural fire talk harkened back to some spectacular volcanic eruption, an ancient asteroid impact, a solar flare or some other natural event which left its mark on the human psyche." Good point. It seems easy for the mind to conflate and exaggerate the significance of certain experiences. Historical accounts get distorted. Folklore can don the mask of fact. Like rumor, information is lost and embellishment fills in the gaps.

      Delete
    2. little helperAugust 1, 2019 at 9:51 AM

      Ardy; And context is also conflated, or ignored.. like volcanos burning up earth. It does not say that. Conflation is a tool used by Jon to distort known evidence.

      Delete
  3. little helperJuly 31, 2019 at 8:00 PM

    Is it unknown 1 or unknown 2.?. My 7;28 was simply an anticipation of a "rebuttal" from Jon of his 2nd from the last paragraph, re. the expanding universe, in his original post, complimented by his very last sentence, posited as a challenge. That's not so hard to comprehend. I love a challenge.

    Your soapbox is based on "uncertainty". (your words). More of your words;" politically correct," "afterthought, " MAYBE to some spectacular volcanic eruption, Maybe ancient asteroid impact, Maybe a solar flare or maybe some other natural event". Not much soap OR "modern scientific understanding" in your box. Only speculation over spectacular.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Ardy BAugust 1, 2019 at 7:04 AM

      "Only speculation over [the] spectacular." That proposition describes for me the religious, philosophical, and scientific endeavors. But good science demands speculative hypotheses that are testable and falsifiable. Religion and philosophy not so much. In the latter two cases, to paraphrase John Stewart Mill, "They [think] that by determining the meaning of words they [can] become acquainted with facts"

      Delete
    2. little helperAugust 1, 2019 at 8:53 AM

      And as you know, "Good science demands hypothesis that are testable and falsifiable. Many have been proven false in the past, and absolutes have to be re-written.
      re. Mill; "They think that by determining the meaning of words they can become acquainted with facts". The same goes for the secular. I have seen on these pages now and in the past, clear distortions of the meaning of words, and complete sentences which clearly reveals the bias of the writers. Both by omission or commission, including non-scientific items. It is common.

      Delete
  4. tsmAugust 1, 2019 at 7:00 AM

    what's wrong with speculation here? I think that many of the old stories that show up in our "mythology" have their root in some long remembered natural event(s). We have, after all, been around for 200K years or so. A lot could have happened in the natural world in that period of time time, events which made a lasting impression on us. and were passed down in some form over long periods of time. Speculation? So what?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. little helperAugust 1, 2019 at 8:44 AM

      When you make speculation a fact to support your thesis, your thesis fails.
      "I think"," could have happened" In the past, or in the future, so what?

      Delete
    2. tsmAugust 1, 2019 at 11:10 AM

      helper: I don't know why you are getting all lathered up on this issue. I am merely saying that many of the old stories often have some reality behind them. As in the discovery of Troy. Or the now accepted Black Sea flood. Or the ice age stories that got grafted into Scandinavian mythology. And in case you didn't know it, the earth is pock marked with ancient impact craters (most of them now overgrown), the most recent of which is Meteor Crater in AZ.

      Delete
    3. little helperAugust 1, 2019 at 11:56 AM

      I'm not "all lathered up." In fact, I'm quite calm. It is you who continues the diatribe. Go to the top and look at my first two posts. There you (if you can read), Jon said those who wrote the Bible knew the sun would run out of energy. Again, they did not say that, nor did they speculate it. In fact, they were silent on it. In reality it is you who is trying to justify made up shit. Much to the shame of both Jon's and yours credibility.

      Delete
    4. Jon LindgrenAugust 1, 2019 at 1:03 PM

      Looking back at your posts to my blog on the sun mocking God you led readers to believe 2 Peter was saying the sun would run out of energy. I asked specifically if you were certain 2 Peter referred to the sun running out of energy and your answer was "Peter was quite clear..." Now you are all lathered up about it.

      Delete
    5. little helperAugust 1, 2019 at 1:12 PM

      Unknown; re. your 11;10 am; If you think I have a problem with your "old stories" Troy, black Sea, Scandinavian mythology, pock marks, etc., you don't know me, or you are nuts.
      Back to the top of the page, and Jon with his post that the ancient writers knew the sun would run out of energy. If you believe and trust Jon, "You can believe just about anything". (Your words.)

      Delete
    6. little helperAugust 1, 2019 at 3:16 PM

      Jon; I did not say they thought the sun was running out of energy, or why , but that the elements will be destroyed with intense head and the earth and it's works will be burned up. 2 Peter 3;10. No mention of the sun at all. Both you and the Unknown- Unknown need to take a reading comprehension course. Just a basic course should suffice.
      I did say 2 Peter was quite clear in what he said, not what you wish to add to what he said. Your dishonesty is astounding.

      Delete
    7. little helperAugust 1, 2019 at 3:36 PM

      Jon; (Mister Twister.) In short; 2 Peter WAS, AND IS quite clear. There is no mention of the Sun, or it's running out of fuel. Actually look it up.

      Delete
  5. tsmAugust 1, 2019 at 1:31 PM

    Hey, lathered up. For once I think that I agree with Jon. Get back on the trolley. You fell off sometime back. N.B. I'm not "making shit up" : I cited several very specific examples of natural occurrences as evidence to back up my view that old stories often have roots in reality. That, it seems to me, is a perfectly rational hypothesis.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. little helperAugust 1, 2019 at 3:19 PM

      Unknown unknown; see my reply to Jon's 1;03. (The one you agree with).
      "Trolley". Sounds like you are a follower of Captain Kangaroo.

      Delete
    2. tsmAugust 1, 2019 at 4:58 PM

      Helper: one thing in your favor. you are creative when it comes to insults.

      Delete
    3. little helperAugust 1, 2019 at 6:01 PM

      Thank you. It's easy when I have such great subjects to work with.

      Delete
    4. little helperAugust 1, 2019 at 6:25 PM

      re. insults; You must remember who started with "lathered up", and your continuation of it.

      Delete
  6. little helperAugust 1, 2019 at 4:05 PM

    Thinking about this "fire" thing a little more, Since 2 Peter does not say "fire" but uses "intense heat", He would be more accurate than Jon and his 19th century vocabulary. No "fire", but solar radiation would do the trick. in both scenarios. Whoda thunk it.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. little helperAugust 1, 2019 at 6:03 PM

      Of course, the result of such intense heat would be fire.

      Delete

Post a Comment

Popular posts from this blog

Maybe the "Original Sin" Should be Reassigned

Image
We can all agree most Catholic priests are fine people and not guilty of sexual abuse. What Catholics must face, however, it that their church harbors executives who are dishonest . There is an incredible story about the Argentine Bishop Zanchetta. The Pope worked with him in Argentina and they are considered friends. Around 2015 Zanchetta sent nude pictures of himself and they began circulating world wide. He also was too friendly with young seminarians and some left because of him.  Three different officials say they made formal complaints to the Vatican about Zanchetta between 2015 and 2017. Yet, in 2018, the Vatican claimed it was unaware of any complaints about Zanchetta. This might be a good time to repeat the Catholic hierarchy claims to have the sole authority handed down from Jesus to what the faith stands for. It condemns as sinners those who practice birth control, have abortions and gay sexual relationships. Handing the hierarchy this responsibility would make...
Read more

Who Suffers from a "Hardened Heart"

Image
Some years ago on this blog there was a discussion about what the Bible calls "The hardened heart." The "hardened heart" was the explanation given for why people like me cannot accept the tenets of Christianity. We are unable to believe there are floating spirits and gods or imaginary places people go when the die. Now, a prominent Christian preacher and author has given us a way to diagnose the "hardened heart." It contained some surprises.  Rev. John Piper, who spoke about the hardened heart, said we can see this in a person who lacks "ordinary tenderness and compassion." He went on to describe the characteristics of a person without the affliction of the hardened heart. A healthy person displays empathy and sympathy. Those with the hardened heart are like stone. Jesus wanted compassion for the poor. The hardened heart discussion referred to atheists only if they are sinners and then it was indirectly. Sin, Piper said, hardens one's heart a...
Read more

Young Women can see Bull$hit a Mile Away

Image
Republicans including their Forced Birth subgroup is bother by recent election results and polling. All show young women going to the left. A poll shows young women are 30% more likely to be very liberal than young men. The link advises the Forced Birth community to give young pregnant women an uplifting message. The message suggested is, "Buck up. You've got this. You can give birth and have a happy life." Another way of saying this is, "It will be OK if you miss work and/or are fired because of the birth. If you cannot make your rent payment, it's OK. Somewhere out there is another place to live. We don't know where but be optimistic."   This is an add on to the new version of the Forced Birth message, "We're for both the baby and the mother." They are not and never have been for the mother. Their message has always been to condemn women who have abortions. Now, the "thoughts and prayers" message, which costs no money, it the me...
Read more