Christian Sounding like Atheists


One of President Trump's so called "spiritual advisers", Robert Jeffress,  is calling out Democrats for having a god that exists no where but in their own minds. This is humorous.

Since the beginning of recorded history there have been non believers who said those who believe in invisible gods have created the god in their minds. They point out it exists nowhere else.

This brings up one of the great ironies about religion. Atheists and Christians agree that thousands of gods do not exist except in human minds. They disagree with about only one of them, the Christian version of a god. The same would be true about all religions. That is to say, atheists and religious people agree that 99.9% of all gods do not exist.

The "god" Rev. Jeffress refers to that does not exist is the one worshiped by liberal Christians. It does not condemn homosexual relationships and does not tell women one fertilized cell is a human being.

I recall sitting in a living room of a couple with an adult gay child. This couple and others present were talking about a statement by a local preacher that God did not approve of gays, including their children. One mother said, "He does not know my God."

She was correct. The preacher did not know her god. She did not know his god. Pastor Jeffress does
not know her god either.

It's possible to learn what Preacher Jeffress's god is telling him by first asking Jeffress what he thinks about gay rights and women's rights. After he explains he is against both we will learn his god  tells him exactly the same thing.

Those who comment on this blog have told me I was prophesied in the Bible, "There will be scoffers." It is true I am a scoffer. So is Preacher Jeffress.

Every single person on the planet is a scoffer about most gods or all gods. Using a sports metaphor, Preacher Jeffress has taken a page from the atheists' playbook.

Comments

  1. tsmJuly 3, 2019 at 6:56 PM

    I hate to disagree with this Gospel according to Jon (actually I love to disagree with Jon, that's why I continue to post worthless comments). Too bad tho' that Jon has taken what amounts to solipsistic view of the world. in truth, lots of things can be said to exist in our minds. But not only in our minds (but what minds, Jon obviously does not believe in minds, just brains). Anyway, I think that it is obvious that there is nothing in the intellect that is not first in the senses, some apprehension of a real, external world. Some point of external reference, whether in Plato's forms or in Aristotle's substances. What we do with our apprehensions is another matter: the paranoid may think that someone wants to kill him, yet he senses an external world consisting of humans and other things. Similarly, people believe in gods because of some external something that needs to be explained in some way. Of course, I don't think that Jon is a thorough going solipsist. If he was, he would give up his blog, go to his room and live in his own mind. That because he would find it impossible to communicate with another mind.

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  2. Jon LindgrenJuly 3, 2019 at 8:50 PM

    In economics, the market plays a big role in deciding what is important and what is not. The Edsel was not important. So, I have to admit what Preacher Jeffress preaches is important. Probably he earns several hundred thousand a year. Big wars have been fought, the Crusades, where each side's battle cry is "My god is real, your god is not. Bang bang you're dead." Preacher Jeffress preaches, "My god is real, your god is not, give your money to me." So, there are gods in the minds and brains of humans, that's for sure. They are no where else.

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  3. Ardy BJuly 4, 2019 at 6:05 AM

    I recall when the June 27th topic was “Woman Shot in the Stomach, She's Prosecuted for Dead Fetus”, two posters identified as “Unknown” commented. One Unknown posted in response to a post by the other Unknown that “this Unknown did not author this post”. Now I have no beef with anonymous posts. The incident just seems to say something about the whole who’s god is really real turmoil. For my money gods are commodities that organized religions market for some form of profit. I, as a scoffer, propose that gods, like colors, exist no where but in our minds. This proposal does not preclude an external environment but asserts that this environment begins with our bodies. Jeffress essentially claims all other gods are a gods of a different color. He certainly uses god-talk for political purposes which to me labels him a hypocrite and a shill. To Jon’s assertion that Jeffress “has taken a page from the atheists' playbook” one might say in some cases the difference between a theist and an atheist is merely a vowel.

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    1. tsmJuly 4, 2019 at 8:48 AM

      colors exist only in our mind? that's news to me: I thought that color is our perception of real world phenomena. no real world, no color.

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  4. tsmJuly 4, 2019 at 7:40 AM

    It seems that Jeffress, like you, was a tad careless in the way in which he presented his ideas. maybe should have taken Phil 101. Then there are atheists who preach their Non-God gospel telling us that we should all believe in the great Non-God (Anti-God?). And don't forget that there have been atheists who have persecuted others in the interests of their Non-God (who must like your Non-God have existed solely in their minds). why do I always have to remind you of stones and glass houses?

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    1. Ardy BJuly 4, 2019 at 9:22 AM

      Unknown wrote: "... maybe [I] should have taken Phil 101. You may be right. You seem well studied in the dialectics of Plato and Aristotle. I subscribe to the idea that I can be wrong and not know it. For my part I have little faith that arguing the ultimate value of either term of a pair of opposites like God vs Non-God can lead to anything useful. I agree with your criticism that I can be a "tad careless" in the way I present ideas. Spare me the ruler across the knuckles. This is a blog.

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    2. tsmJuly 4, 2019 at 9:52 AM

      N.B. my phil 101remarks was for Jon's benefit. not directed at you per se.

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